Quake 1 Mapping

[James]

Can anyone tell me how to compile maps for quake 1 i've been trying for the past 2 days but i can't figure out how to get it to work, i get errors where the bsp won't build, or the bsp will build and the light won't its kinda irritating and if anyone can tell me how to go about it that would be awesome

...one long run on sentence lol

[grieve[Q2C]]

is your editor really suitable for Quake 1 ? if you use Quark, you have to set it in Quake 1 mode.

also, you need the right build tools.

quark.sourceforge.net/download_tools.php

[James]

yeah i set it to q1 and yeah i have the build tools, i set them to their correct paths and stuff. but it just doesn't seem to want to work for some reason....i just tried again with different build tools, its compiling and running and it says everything is good but its still compiling fullbright...

[X7[Q2C]]

Sound like you have a leak/hole in your map.

Build the QBSP (.bsp file creation),
Look at the console and see if it said:
!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!
Build failed, because it did not create the (+PRT) file: F:\Quake1\tmpQuArK\.\maps\newmap.PRT

or if using TxQBSP 1.13 -- Modified by Bengt Jardrup:
WARNING: Reached occupant at (-256 -192 96), light
Simplifying ... Leak file written to maps/newmap.pts



X7

[James]

i was testing it in a small hollow box, so there is no possibility of leak, it says it compiles everything all right and proper, but its still all fullbright, the light i put in the middle is only at 100, so it doesn't reach the edges.

[grieve[Q2C]]

and the console says that arghlite is running ?

maybe you have a wrong path to the light program set in the options.

[spirit]

Post the console output.

[James]

0 water leafs
16 leaffaces
16 nodefaces
---- MergeAll ----
6 mergefaces
writing maps/newmap.prt
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: maps/newmap.bsp
added 0 texture frames
17 planes 340
30 vertexes 360
6 nodes 144
6 texinfo 240
24 faces 480
12 clipnodes 96
2 leafs 56
24 marksurfaces 48
104 surfedges 208
53 edges 212
1 textures 5488
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 193
0.0 seconds elapsed

C:\Quake\tmpQuArK> "C:\q1buyildtools\RVIS.exe" maps/newmap.map

---- vis ----
1 portalleafs
0 numportals
average leafs visible: 1
c_chains: 0
visdatasize:1 compressed from 1
0.0 seconds elapsed

C:\Quake\tmpQuArK> "C:\q1buyildtools\ARGHLITE.exe" maps/newmap.map

----- ArghLite 2.0 by Tim Wright (Argh!) -----
Modified from source code by:
id Software - original Quake Light code
Ritual Entertainment - Scourge of Armagon mods
Rich Tollerton - antilighting mods
Janis Jagars - mangle mod

----- LoadBSP ----
3 entities read, 1 is a light
----- LightFaces ----
lightdatasize: 3880
----- SaveBSP ----
0 switchable light styles
----- Time ----
0.0 seconds elapsed

/quark.cfg: exists
/Quake.rc: exists
/maps/newmap.bsp: ready
/maps/newmap.pts: ready
Files stored in C:\Quake\tmpQuArK\
C:\Quake> WinQuake.EXE -game tmpQuArK +map newmap

[grieve[Q2C]]

looks okay so far

[James]

Yet there is nothing.

[Whirlingdervish]

have you included a spawnpoint?

[James]

yes, yes i have.

[grieve[Q2C]]

think I got it - in Quake 1 you need to set a minimum light level in the worldspawn.

just add the key "light" to the worldspawn, with a level with 10 or 30
the map as a whole will be pretty dark, with 100 and above rather bright.

[spirit]

Hm, I don't have that key in my q1 maps and they work fine. I used some Gtkradiant version to make them though.

If you want to test whether your tools or your map are broken, I can offer you the source file of my q1 map so you can try to compile it. You can get it here (it's in the zip). It works for me so if it doesn't have light for you, your tools are strange (though your console output definitely looks good).

Another (improbable) explanation would be that you're missing some compiler-specific stuff that you don't need with radiant (like that key zyx mentioned) or the light compiler that comes with it.

[grieve[Q2C]]

for the .bsp:
GLQuake didn't want to play the bsp because of missing
info_player_start. I added one and made an entity-only compile.
then it worked, but looked fullbright. so I made an additional light compile and think the map now looks okay.

for the compiling of the map file: unfortunately it didn't work at all.
here is the log:

note: this console may not display the program output before it's terminated
D:\Games\Quake\tmpQuArK> "C:\quark-win32-6.4.0\QBUILD\TXQBSP.EXE" ./maps/spirit1
dm1.map

qdir: D:\Games\Quake\
gamedir: D:\Games\Quake\tmpQuArK\
outputfile: ./maps/spirit1dm1.bsp
--- LoadMapFile ---
./maps/spirit1dm1.map
1014 brushes
176 entities
45 miptex
152 texinfo
building hulls sequentially...
--- Brush_LoadEntity ---
1004 brushes read
---- CSGFaces ----
6572 brushfaces
17062 csgfaces
2873 mergedfaces
----- SolidBSP -----
4551 split nodes
2196 solid leafs
2356 empty leafs
0 water leafs
7056 leaffaces
6481 nodefaces
----- portalize ----
----- FillOutside ----
2622 outleafs
----- SolidBSP -----
2060 split nodes
1235 solid leafs
826 empty leafs
0 water leafs
4257 leaffaces
3763 nodefaces
MODEL: *1
MODEL: *2
MODEL: *3
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: ./maps/spirit1dm1.bsp
added 0 texture frames
WARNING: texture NULL not found
1101 planes 22020
10239 vertexes 122868
5662 nodes 135888
152 texinfo 6080
9579 faces 191580
3964 clipnodes 31712
3391 leafs 94948
10270 marksurfaces 20540
37980 surfedges 75960
24503 edges 98012
45 textures 286184
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 11028
17.0 seconds elapsed

!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!!-!
Build failed, because it did not create the (+PRT) file: D:\Games\Quake\tmpQuArK
\.\maps\spirit1dm1.PRT