For the next community project

[Panzer13]

How about taking a break from the competitive mapping bit and just release a community map pack? Lemme just say this...IMHO the judging is being viewed as biased and is leaving a bad taste in the mouths of community members. In addition to this...and please don't take this the wrong way...the "prize" of having the number one map spotlighted on a web page that is only viewed by it's own community is very weak at best. The fact that map-X will get some play time on a locally known server means very little to many community members. You want a prize? Offer a video card so some of these people can get out of the mid-90's and on to some more "modern" gaming. Something a little more tangible would be needed to inspire the mapping masses to sit up and pay attention. So...I say get rid of the idea that it is a contest to begin with and just make it a community effort. Besides that, there is nothing more fishy than the host of one of these contests coming in first place. I've said this all along but no one seems to understand my point of view. Anyway, not trying to cut anyone too deeply but we need to do something different before this whole thing falls apart and we won't have anyone else to blame but ourselves.

[Le Ray [Q2C]]

Panzer, to say the judging is viewed as biased is ridiculous to me.
Where were all of these people when I took 3rd place in the first contest?
I didn't hear anyone complaining then.

If any judge can say I influenced them in any way, please feel free to post it
here. I would love to see it.

I think you have a good idea with the map pack, but like I mentioned before, I may
be unable to do anymore mapping for Q2, which has nothing to do with my ego.

I feel I've done everything I can to keep Q2 alive and well, but from the response
I've received from this contest, I think it may be my last and depending on things here, I may not have a choice.

If anyone feels they want to take on a Q2 Project like the one Panzer mentioned, let me know. I can create an entire board for you and let you run the show.

[Panzer13]

LeRay...no one said you influenced any of the judges decisions, but take this into account...let's view this as if it were an application for a job.

Leray = boss
mapper 1 = LeRay's nephew
mapper 2 = unknown
mapper 3 = unknown

If LeRay is the boss and mapper 1 get's a job, mapper 2 and mapper 3 will see this as nepetism (sic). In other words, the fact that you are hosting a contest in which you enter is automatically biased irregardless of how much effort you put into showing that the judging is unbiased. This is why employers are not allowed to supervise their own family members and likewise if you wish to host a contest, in all fairness to the competitors you should not be allowed to enter the contest because of what it might be viewed as. I never said the judges weren't fair, but the idea of you winning your own contest is more than a little suspicious.

Maybe it would make sense to you like this. Neal and Bob host a contest. Neal decides to enter the contest along with LeRay, Wixen, Maric, Pan...yada yada yada. In the final scores, you see that Neal's map comes out as the best map. Tell me that wouldn't have the other contestants crying "foul". I guess it's a question of ethics. You should never be a contestant in a contest you personally host.

Does any of that make sense? Hope so...I would hate to offend anyone.

[Le Ray [Q2C]]

Hmmm.....

I see your point, but like I said before, nobody complained for the first contest.

I would have to think that each judge in the contest is honest enough to make up his own mind and come up with his own thoughts on each map. But, I could be wrong.

Any who....just trying to do my best for Q2.

[jester]

Sign me up for that map pack Panzy, err Panzer! Then maybe I would get off my lazy arse and finally finish 1!

Jester

[WHO?]

okay something differebt again ~ idea wise that is ~

instead of judging maps.............................................................................................



NOVELTY EVENT!!!





what about




a flick around the globe & slap some judgement on servers

could be interesting huh:
~ this server blows dogs because it's maps are sooo unco
~ this server blows as its got noooo bandwidth to spare
~ this server eats shit cos it has no active admins available
~ this server does a poor debbie does dallas impersonation because it has no ftp point for map dl for the public
~ this server etc etc etc



could be fun - I'm not that thin skinned that I cant take it in the face on our servers failings (if any bwahahahaha) & I reckon it'd be neat to get some feedback on the thing/s (got 7 Q2 servers running) so as to be able to plan upgradings from any "judgement" recieved

*bows gracefull, farts manfully & strolls over to the bar*
;D

[m0n0LiTh0]

WHO? said:

okay something differebt again ~ idea wise that is ~

instead of judging maps.............................................................................................



NOVELTY EVENT!!!





what about




a flick around the globe & slap some judgement on servers

could be interesting huh:
~ this server blows dogs because it's maps are sooo unco
~ this server blows as its got noooo bandwidth to spare
~ this server eats nuts cos it has no active admins available
~ this server does a poor debbie does dallas impersonation because it has no ftp point for map dl for the public
~ this server etc etc etc



could be fun - I'm not that thin skinned that I cant take it in the face on our servers failings (if any bwahahahaha) & I reckon it'd be neat to get some feedback on the thing/s (got 7 Q2 servers running) so as to be able to plan upgradings from any "judgement" recieved

*bows gracefull, farts manfully & strolls over to the bar*
;D

Ha Ha ok i' am all of the above come on up see us some time . M0n0LiTh0 Comp_Weapons_Server
68.2.97.28:27910
www.pusboil.com/trash.wav
or
www.pusboil.com/stinkbag.wav

[WHO?]

now that's what I call keen - go m0no man

ahh hang on, we need to get the rest of em interested & start a this server owns/blows section or thread at least if its gunna happen aye

[Wixen1 [Q2C]]

WHO? said:

*bows gracefull, farts manfully & strolls over to the bar*
;D

;D ;D ;D

[WHO?]

Jester said:

Sign me up for that map pack Panzy, err Panzer! Then maybe I would get off my lazy arse and finally finish 1!

Jester

ooh ooh!! would that be a completion of jbeta1 by any chance mate?
if so sign him up quick that little cutie rocks .... the map that is, cmon be nice now hhahahahahaha

[Panzer13]

The speed mapping boys over at func_msgboard have had a successful little run for their Quake mapping and they usually have a theme for every pack. This might be something to consider (not the speed mapping but rather the theme...)

[Le Ray [Q2C]]

Panzer,
This is a very good idea.

I'm going to create a board especially for this new idea.

[Le Ray [Q2C]]

O.K.
Let's start kicking around some ideas....
see this new board created for the new Q2 Map Pack Team....leray.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=q2communitymappack